Cold Open And Theme Of The Show

Dave 0:01

Welcome to the Business Encrypted Podcast. We're here to share real life insights, practical strategies, and the honest lessons that we have learned from our own state. So whether you need help with operations, accountability, financial knowledge, details, or maybe just getting your mindset right. We are here and it is the right spot for no fluff conversations and tools to help work. So grab your favorite cup of Joe. Let's jump into the show. Hey, hey, hey, good morning, everybody. It's another Friday, and it's your favorite two ugly mugs in the morning. Dave and Dwarne here for another episode of the Business Unscripted Podcast. So hope you're having a wonderful week. We don't have any guests today, but we had a good episode. We've we did tell you, I think, what, two weeks, three weeks ago. Now we wanted to talk about Notebook LM. So Notebook LM is going to be the main focus of our episode today. Uh, if you haven't used it, you're sleeping on something here. I think uh there's a lot of great and amazing uses for it. Uh and if you have, maybe you're gonna hear a couple things today that you haven't known that you can use the the platform for. So, but Dwarne, let's grab your favorite cup of Joe and let's uh let's definitely jump into the show. So welcome. How's uh how was your week been?

Duarne 1:10

It's been a solid week, it's been a solid week, and it's a good thing that we're your intro. I love that. My mother always said I had a face for radio, and that doesn't mean very much these days because they bloody do video on radio. But back in the day when she said that there was a different meaning behind that.

Dave 1:30

So for sure. I would say I don't even know if I have a voice for radio, but uh I definitely don't have a face, but that's okay. I I got I've gotten comfortable in front of the camera. I just think I don't I don't look at myself. Uh on the zoom, I try to turn off try to turn off like the the self-view because I don't want to see myself that that way.

Duarne 1:51

But no, I totally get it. It's one of the it's actually interesting, it's one of the most awkward things for people to talk on camera, right? And to make it feel like you're natural. And we look at actors and present TV presenters, we think, oh wow, they make it look so easy. The amount of effort and work that goes into it to feel like that is incredible. So anyone who gets in front of a camera and talks and goes online and does whatever they do, power to you, because there's a bit of work for that.

Dave 2:18

I would say too, that's probably the biggest limiting factor to people just getting started doing video or to doing any sort of like social content, video content on online, or to prove their expertise. Because but it but it's the biggest thing now, you know, in the day of AI that we're in, right, where everybody now can just print a script, right? Turn their AI clone and they can make a long-term form content. I think now the these live type videos are the number one if in business to show your expertise and to kind of build those relationships with your audience because you can't fake live, right? I mean I'm sure down the road there will be a way to do it where you can create your AI clone to just go live and have conversations, but for now you can't. Like these are the best ways to build.

On-Camera Nerves And Why Live Matters

Duarne 3:07

So oh, look, and absolutely, and you know, and we'll get into like some AI and podcast stuff later as we get into this episode because there's some stuff that we can talk about there, but I think you're 100% right. You've got to be willing to understand that to stand out now, you've got to be unique and raw and real and AI, anyone can do that. And it kind of gets a little bit old, like the amount of AI content I see. I just scroll past it. I don't care how good your content is, I'm just scrolling past it. I'm looking for some real human connection. I'm watching something nowadays, right? And it's I'm looking for it.

Dave 3:47

And I guess when you when you do it, you you your focus should be from like the storytelling approach, right? The you know, the how-to videos, that's what AI should be used for. Like, hey, give me the step-by-step of how to do that. Great. AI can can do that a hundred percent. But like talking through specific examples, through ex you know, situations and scenarios in in your business and in your realm, like that's where you're gonna you're gonna shine when if you're if you're gonna do live videos, if you're gonna do any sort of videos in general, like talking through those scenarios is what's really gonna make it work.

Duarne 4:19

So AI has its place, but there's parts where you want that human connection, that human interaction, and that is gonna shine through, especially in this age of AI and technology and automation. If you can take the time to have a real conversation with someone, I I just got off a phone call earlier today, and a client was telling me that an MSP that he was talking to was looking to implement a fully AI automated phone system that would take the first line of support calls, log the ticket, triage the ticket, and send it to the team member, and he was really excited. He's like, Oh, it's gonna save me so much money. I'm gonna that's like a whole tech I don't have to have on my team. And it's like, but you lose that personal touch, and it and then I don't think there's one way to deal with those AI.

Dave 5:12

Yeah, I mean, there's places for AI in customer service, like I get it. Like you might actually get better responses from AI than you would uh some customer service with reps, you know what I mean? And get your answer quicker sometimes. But again, if it's in your sales process, that I think is the that's the part that I don't know. We're probably losing. I uh there's uh definitely efficiencies in it, I get it. But if you're trying to do everything AI in your sales process or your onboarding process, I think you're missing out.

Duarne 5:41

Yeah, I think so. Keep some real keep some real human touch to it.

Dave 5:45

Right.

Duarne 5:45

There's a you know, you're gonna see stuff that uh AI is not gonna see. AI is not gonna have that same level of emotion that you can add to things, and there's a few things that you're gonna find are missing, and it's not gonna be totally obvious for everybody, but yeah, I've started following people and they're on LinkedIn and all and all their stuff is AI, like everything is AI. There's no real video, there's no real voices, it's just all AI, and it gets very noisy because that's what's everywhere. So I I I think take a break, AI is great, I'll be the one of the biggest advocates for it, but it has its place, and you'll hear later. Like, we'll be talking about things that we're doing with AI to save our time, improve things that we're doing with Notebook LM.

Dave 6:37

But when I think that's it, that's the thing. Like AI is its use, is not in, it's it shouldn't be your forward, right? It's not gonna be your story and your business unless you're about helping people implement it. I get it. But even then, there still should be you giving the use cases, you breaking down how you're creating it, how you're using it, how people can implement it, not full AI video and think that it's gonna you know make you the next multimillionaire. AI is gonna be used to help you in your efficiency, your operations, your systems. That's where now you as an individual, individual business owner, right, can literally grow and do exponentially more than right, than you can if you were trying to do it with a team or you're trying to do it all by yourself. So that's where AI, not your video creation, not anything. I think ultimately in your in your content, it's gotta be you. It's you you have to like just get out there and do it. I think so. Yeah. So with that, I think there was one other thing we wanted like in pre-show, right? You were taught you were saying a big pet peeve of yours, and it's funny because I share, I shared the pet peeve too. So I wanted that you I think it's good that we talk about it, and then we'll kind of dive into No Book LM for the rest of the session. But give it to me, man. What's your what's your biggest pet peeve?

Human Connection Versus AI Content

Duarne 7:51

Look, I absolutely detest when people cancel a meeting either after it's started or within five or ten minutes of a meeting starting. When you're gonna do it, give me at least an hour's notice. Especially it's just if I find it very disrespectful when it happens over and over with the same people as well. Right, you get to that point where you are making sure that you are going to the effort of putting that time into your calendar and blocking that out. And when somebody goes and does that, it's like saying, Your time doesn't matter, my time's more important, especially when they're like, hey, can we push the meeting back an hour? And it's like, well, no, I can't actually. I've got another meeting sitting on the other side of this.

Dave 8:37

It's like, was that meeting time available when you booked this meeting? Oh no, it's because I already have something going on, sir. I'm sorry, or ma'am. Exactly.

Duarne 8:46

There's legitimate reasons for doing the things I do for that, right?

Dave 8:50

On my end, right? So one, I the rescheduling or the cancel link, I turn off two hours before my meeting starts. So that way they can't do it. And if they do, they have to actually like reach out to me. And then the second thing I've actually started implementing is I actually charge you to book on my calendar right now. So if you're a new prospect, it's $29 to book on my calendar. And I put at the bottom of it, right? If you no show, you forfeit, right? The $29. Or, you know, but if I don't give you value, because it's a consultation, right? I'm gonna, you know, give you some insights. If you don't feel like you've gotten $29 worth of value for the 30 minutes, 45 minutes we've been in conversation with, I'll give you the $29 back. But I know that I'm gonna give them that $29 of value, you know, but at least it locks them in to well, if they know show, at least I'm gonna get $29 for my 15 minutes of time I sat in the meeting waiting for them, you know what I mean? So I would suggest doing something like that. Maybe it's not $29, maybe it's $10. You know, but it's then it could be applied depending on whatever you're doing, you know. The idea is now you're you're protecting your time too, you know, because you as with you people, I totally agree.

Duarne 9:58

I think that's brilliant. What would you do though if it was somebody who you meet with on a regular basis, and it's probably too much familiarity involved, and there's a bit of a disconnect on value of time from the other parties?

Dave 10:47

That's a good I mean, that's a good scenario. You know, I I think you're you have that a lot, whether it's a client that you're worried about not losing because they're the ones that keep changing. I would say the approach should be you you notify, like just make them aware, right? Like, hey, I'm I've is something everything okay? Like, do we have to change the day? Do we have to change the time? I see like the last three or four meetings, you've like either canceled at the last minute, like is something else going on? Is this not a priority for you right now? Like, do we have to change direction? And let them go from there. Maybe they don't even realize it that they've done it four weeks in a row because they're probably just as busy and they don't they're not seeing it, they just see here and now because they're so busy and they don't realize that they did the same thing the last three weeks. So by bringing it to their attention and saying, hey, by the way, like is this a bad time? I've noticed that you've over the last three sessions have had to cancel or have asked to change the time. Like, do we need to move it so that it's a better priority or that it's been a better availability for you? I think that's gonna be that would be your best approach when trying to talk to those either partners or clients who keep not respecting your calendar.

Duarne 12:01

And if it's your wife, just kidding. I'm just kidding. No, I'm just kidding.

Dave 12:06

You know, I don't have I don't have a solution for the wife's for the wife's question, okay? So like that's I mean, I have two exes, two ex-wives, and I guess there's a there's a there's a reason for that, you know what I mean?

Where AI Belongs In Sales And Service

Duarne 12:16

So there is no relationship advice coming on this podcast, in case you're wondering, guys. I love I love that. So on a serious level, you actually raised something interesting there. Because just because you are feeling that way about the situation, you're right. The person on the other end who's doing it may not even be aware that it's a habitual habit of theirs, they may not be aware that it's affecting anyone else, right? It may not be intentional, and I'm sure like a lot of the time it's not. It'd be so I think just asking the question as to why is probably a great way to start that conversation and just bringing awareness to it. I think that's a really mature thing to do, honestly. And a lot of us, I guess, are just a little bit concerned about upsetting the Apple cart by doing that, right?

Dave 13:07

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Hey Brandon, or you, buddy?

Duarne 13:10

How are we doing?

Dave 13:10

Uh I like the dog, or is that a panda? It's a panda.

Duarne 13:13

So I think it's a panda, man. That's a panda.

Dave 13:16

Yeah, I think ultimately it comes down to a lot of small business owners are afraid to lose a client. And ultimately, you can't. You you're there to partner with them, or you're there to service them to help them. And if they constantly change and they don't respect your time, and you could have serviced another client, or you could have, you know, redirected, or maybe you were in the middle of something and you had to stop doing something you're being productive on to have this meeting, and then now they don't show up. Now it just takes you that extra time to get back into it, you know. So it hurts everybody, not just like your calendar, it hurts them, it hurts you, it hurts other people in your network as well. So it's like you have to respect your calendar just as much as you respect them as a client. And I think once you realize that, then you can hit that.

Calendar Respect And No-Show Boundaries

Duarne 14:04

So it's interesting actually. I had I've I've had four scenarios in the last week and a bit, which have come up, and one of them was the system that was being used by a somebody who'd booked a meeting with me didn't send the right link. And they're like, I'm and I'm like, I'm in the meeting. Where are you? Oh, I'm in the meeting, I can't see you. They sent me the right link. Turns out there was a problem with their system. We end up getting some some work out of that to fix it. That was great. We ended up fixing the problem. Another one, I was meant to be doing an onboarding session with a software company, and the zoom link was broken. When I reached out to their support team, sorry, that's another team. I can't get in touch with them. I suggest you rebook. What? And it's like that's a that's a that's a weird one. And then I've had to, I I woke up the other day without a voice. You can hear my voice a bit coarse, uh hoarse today. And I had a meeting late in the afternoon, which is quite an important meeting in person. So six hours ahead of that meeting, I got straight on the phone and messaged the guys, hey, look, I'm just not gonna be able to make it, can barely talk right now. Can we reschedule? He's like, Yeah, no worries, you've been talking too much. Rest your voice next Tuesday, let's do it. If you give enough notice, most people are gonna be cool with it, and that's how I like to play. This morning I had a meeting cancel on me, and they gave me plenty of notice and then told me why. Their CFO wants to be on the meeting as well because there's a big financial decision to make and he wants to be a part of it. And I was like, Great, tell me what time you're gonna work, and we'll just reschedule that in for you. But again, gave me like six hours notice, so I could plan for that, I could do something else. What people don't realize is behind every calendar invite, there's a person who's putting something off to be there for you. Right. And like it's very important. I had a meeting this week at like 11:30 p.m. my time back to Canada, and I was on this call, and I could see it was going nowhere, and I'd made a few suggestions, and I could see it's just there was there wasn't much to be done. I put in what I could do as far as an offer and said, look, think about that, we can come back to it. And I was trying to end the call, and I kept getting random questions about irrelevant things in uh to the business matters. In the end, I was like, hey, look, you know what? It's 12:30 in the evening. I'm gonna have to end the call. I gotta get some sleep. I've got an early morning meeting coming up, and it was at that moment I could see, even though we had mentioned the time earlier on in the day in the call, there was a realization on his face when he was like, Oh, I'm keeping you up. I'm so sorry. Yes, yes, you are. Go to bed. And it was like one of those scenarios, right? And it's exactly what you said. People don't realize that they're doing these things sometimes.

Dave 17:06

So I think we've got to be aware, like, it's like I mean, you don't you don't have to be like harsh. Oh my god, I noticed you've canceled four meetings now. Like, what the hell's going on? Like, that's not how you're gonna get across to them, right? Just be soft. Hey man, hey, hey, Jane, you know, I noticed you just canceled our meeting for today. I noticed it's happened the last three or four meetings. You know, is now this day still good for you, or is this still priority for you? Is it something that maybe you want to reschedule to another day? Is something going on that maybe we need to shift directions with, whatever? Like you said, just make them aware of that what you've noticed. And this is how you improve any type of relationship, right? And this, I guess, can be the only relationship advice I'll give is right gentle and make them aware of what you're seeing, not blaming, right? Not saying, I can't believe you canceled another meeting, right? This is the fourth meeting in a row. What are you doing? Like that, they're gonna be defensive. They're it they're gonna feel attacked. But if you're you're doing it from their perspective, right, you're you're doing it to partner with them, right? To help them by saying, you know, hey, I've noticed that this has been occurring. Is something else going on that we need to shift a little bit to help you, or do we need to adjust to help you? Like that's the ultimate. Because now they're gonna feel like you're a partner, they're gonna feel like they're being supported, they're not gonna feel like they're being attacked for having to change the meetings, and so approach it from that angle, and you'll see that it's gonna be exponentially easier and the approach will be well accepted.

Duarne 18:39

So, because I mean, look, and the other thing on the flip side, we don't know what's happening on their side. It could be that originally in the meeting that we all scheduled and we're all agreeing to, something's changed. Maybe they've got to go and pick the kids up now. Maybe they've got to go and get the car serviced, you know, every couple of months. Who knows? But it could be something, and and if we don't ask, I guess we don't know, right? So I like that. I think that's clever, I think that's simple.

Dave 19:03

There you go. I I know you I know you have somebody that uh you're probably gonna try that on. So I'm interested to hear how uh how that approach goes and how it how it you know kind of is responded to because I think it'll be well.

Duarne 19:13

Gentle, gentle, right? Gentle, gentle. I like that.

Dave 19:16

All right, so I know we're 20 minutes in, so I think that's a good sort of intro show. So if you're here or you're watching a replay, let's transition into Notebook LM. And so if you are not aware, high level notebook LM is obviously a product and one of Google's AI platforms. And if you've ever used any sort of chatbot, you probably understand that they can hallucinate sometimes. They are trying to pull in from everything that they've learned, and so it's probably been frustrating. I know I've been frustrated a multitude of times from hallucinations and always having to double check. It's gotten better over time, obviously. But if you like think back to when ChatGPT first came out, I mean, you always had to check the links that it that it said it went to because they weren't even links, they were just making it up. It's your source, right? Like, give me your source, and then you go to look go to it. It says 404 error. It's like, oh, okay, how did you actually get the information out there? Sorry, you made it up. But I just notebook it up. Sorry. Notebook LM, and even in even since Notebook LM has come out, it's made a lot of shifts and move forward. But high level, notebook LM is a place for you to gather all of your sources, whether you have like favorite YouTube videos that you'd like to watch, whether you have PDFs that you want to pull together, whether you have company knowledge that you just want to refer back to all the time, you can drop these things into a notebook. And now the chatbot that is within that notebook is only restricted to those sources that you give it. So there's no more. No, I'm not gonna say there's no more hallucinations, but it drastically eliminates hallucinations because it's only going to the sources that you provide. Now, the additional benefit to that is they added a extra kind of level where once you drop in a bunch of sources, let's say it's a bunch of YouTube videos of you know topics that you want to watch, whether it's social media or something like that, right? Now they have a feature where it'll go out and find similar related information to what you already have in that notebook, and then suggest you additional things to include that will expand that knowledge base. And then you can select, yes, I want to include these in one by one, you don't have to include all or nothing, but you can select the ones that you want to include, and then chat with it just like you would any other chat box. That's step one. That's quite that's the point.

How To Address Chronic Last-Minute Cancellations

Duarne 21:40

I didn't know that I didn't know that that was a feature, actually. That's news to me. And this is why I love these sort of conversations about these tools because we're always learning from each other and learning from others who are using these tools in different ways. You mentioned about less hallucinations, but here's an interesting point of view. One of the fun features that you can do with this is you can create audio files. You've got the option of what they call a deep dive, which is a conversation between two parties. The brief, which I've been using a lot of, which is like a bite-sized two-minute sort of shortcut. The critique, which is where they just it'll just read what you say and then give you feedback on it, right? Good, bad, and the ugly. And then the debate, which is kind of like a deep dive, but it's a little bit more. back and forth on two different angles and perspectives. Now interestingly I've been trying I've been trying this and doing deep dives which are about 15 minutes long roughly normally depending on your content. And I'll put in five, six, three, whatever documents in at the time, depending on what I'm doing. And then I'll listen to it. And sometimes you don't realize even though you thought you had the perfect content, right? You don't realize necessarily that the way it's being interpreted is very, very different. I was on a call with a client and I'd created all of her documentation, sent it across to her, she loved it. She thought it was great. I used the same documentation to make an audio file, dig dive, and she can't she goes, you know what was the most insightful thing that I found from that audio file besides it sounding like a natural conversation between two podcasters. She said I didn't realize people saw me that way. Now that I was really surprised by that. So I jumped in and started playing and what I realized that if you start prompting it for an outcome you actually can get it to use your material to give you a bias outcome. Just like with any other platform. So yes you've got your own facts in there but you can tell it to focus on the positives and ignore the negatives or focus on the negatives and ignore the positives.

Dave 24:09

Well but but here's so and here's the thing that I don't think a lot of people know that you can also do with a notebook is that you can still give it custom instructions. Yes. So that's the one thing I would show if you do everything. Yeah so I mean I I don't have a media this is why I guess I I we I did I didn't plan to share my screen for this one but what I'm gonna do is I'll just I'm gonna share the screen here right me and you are off the screen for a minute. So this is you know a notebook that I created because I you know I like Dan Martelli right and let me let me let me do this a little bit let's do sorry y'all you guys have to deal with a minute with me to kind of figure this out live episode this is I guess when you go live and you're not really planning so uh we don't do media below it so let's do this.

Duarne 25:06

I've got one out if you maybe so here we go.

Dave 25:08

So so you we just don't get an overlay for this one. So this is one where I have I you know I like Dan Martelli. So when I find a video or I watch a video that I enjoy I drop it I copy it and I drop it in here. Okay. The beauty of this is that this is grabbing the full transcript from it it goes out it grabs the full transcript. Now the one thing I think a lot of people don't realize if you do like a Google drive doc or you do anything like that into your notebook tip, it's only taking it as of that time. So it's not going to refresh it. So you have to keep that in mind. Now there is a tool I have this tool that is added on it is called Cortex and this is a Google extension that actually will allow you to do a bunch of other things that you know it's made specifically for Google notebook. And it will allow you to actually upload and refresh Google Docs. So this button here where it says sync all Google Doc sources it'll sync everything again. So if you've updated anything like that it'll sync them it'll refresh it give it the new transcript or whatever's in those files just a notification but I highly suggest this right now it's like I think I paid $47 lifetime for an account never have to pay ever again and I mean I know I'm going a little off tangent here but it allows you to manage all of your notebooks and it's not specific to just the one notebook that you signed up for like it'll detect any notebook that you have in that Google profile that you have it logged in under. And you can then manage your notebooks here like you have all your different notebooks here. You can actually merge notebooks if there's two things that maybe you've been working on two different things and you want to merge them you can do things here. You can manage you you can actually turn your podcast into an actual art you know a feed from this page. So instead of it being like you have to download it and figure it out like you can actually create a podcast feed here for any of the episodes and then listen to it, download it however you want. You can do bulk importation. So let's say you have a bunch of tabs open and there's a bunch of things you've been researching instead of trying to copy each one individually you can come in here and take all of your browser tabs and import them as one in links so it'll go back out and fit so highly suggest it there's an I don't even have an affiliate link. I know there's an affiliate link but I don't have it so I don't care but it's a for you guys watching like if you're using notebook LM Cortex K-O-R-T-E-X you have to download it I bought in the lifetime like I said it's like $47 lifetime right now or whatever I think it was but share the link in the description maybe yeah I'll find I'll find the link and I'll share it in the description for sure. But going back to this notebook let's say you only want it to you know give you feedback but you you've mentioned it before right so you you said hey I want you to always question or you know give me two or three additional thinking points so that you're not just a yes person. You know so what you can do up here in configure, you know, this is where you're gonna have your own style and you can just go with default so it's just gonna be the default of whatever Google notebook kind of goes into. Let's say you want to do a learning guide.

Transition To Notebook LM

Duarne 28:16

So if you're maybe you have your kids and you're giving them context around school topics this can actually be more of a like an explainer course of what's going to you know happen with the output or you can give it then custom instructions and you have this used to be limited to like two sentences of the instructions now you have 10,000 characters just like any other sort of chat GPT or chat Gemini custom instruction now you can give it fully drawn out custom instruction so if you know I could type in here you know act as a thought partner because you guys get to see my typing skills and when responding always present two topics that I may not have thought of and never just agree to agree question my focus and goals to ensure aligned right and see guys also one thing to note while Dave's doing this one thing that I like to do is I'm a terrible typer as well so I use the mutation mode in Jamin or in chat and I'll just talk in there and then what I will do is I'll say make this a prompt that I can use for notebook LM etc and it'll format it in a really clear precise way that I can then go and improve my initial one or two sentences I'm thinking copy paste that and drop that in there as my guide as well.

Dave 29:53

Right. And then so now I've uploaded it the other thing you could do is you could tell it you know do you want it to be default longer or shorter you know however you want like if you want long answers shorter answers whatever so I just saved that so let's just try something default and then see what you think.

What Notebook LM Is And Why It Reduces Hallucinations

Duarne 30:07

If it's too long try the shorter if it's too short try the longer that's my suggestion. Let's just see here give me an overview of how I can implement this strategy next week in my this is my only pet peeve right now is that there's no dictation mode in notebook LM that I found.

Dave 30:32

Well then so the I think we've talked about it before at App it's called Whisperflow.

Duarne 30:37

So if you are on an Apple Whisper flow is a great way to dictate into text to any text field so I use that uh uh on the regular so I'm you know what's interesting though I was on a I was doing a presentation earlier about custom gpt building to a group and I shared them a little tip that I've come across I absolutely hate the dictation mode on Android um it just drives me nuts it's so bad so what I do is I actually use chat GPT dictation I turn it on I say what I want to say I end the dictation then I copy paste it without hitting the prompt and then dump it wherever I want on my screen. That's how I'm using it because it's really good. It's very accurate.

Dave 31:23

So here's here's here's a result right obviously it's not anything specific right to us it's basically just give me an overview of the videos I've put here and how I can implement it. It's give me a strategy for Monday Tuesday gave me a strategy for Wednesday and now because of the new instruction I gave it it added two additional topics that maybe I haven't thought of that go along with these strategies that now I can think through as well. So you can customize it however you want great use other here on the right hand side where you you already talked about the audio overview if you just click it it's going to go to the default as you mentioned typical brief about 14 15 minutes but a lot of people don't know you can click the edit button and this is where all those other options come in.

Duarne 32:04

So it's a deep dive to the sources here as well with extra guide.

Dave 32:08

Yep so you just the briefs the critique the debate short long default right if you happen to be wanting to do a different language it'll be in a different language but the beauty of this is you can necessarily have it give it roles as well you know one of the specific examples that I have done with the audio focus recently in my business is when I'm giving a proposal or I'm having a you know a follow-up I will drop that proposal into a notebook and then come in here to do an audio overview and go with a brief and just say act as a business owner that is in the same industry as this business and give it the background. Come up with the objections and then in the proposal use the information in the proposal that then counteracts those objections and then have it talk about it. So now you I can send that along with the proposal hey by the way here's the proposal information we discussed I created a short simple overview audio overview for you as well if you want to take a listen to that. And again it breaks it down obviously you want to listen to it yourself first to make sure that it doesn't say something that it shouldn't don't just send it. But it's a green edition piece that you can send the other way I use the audio kind of in addition to you is I do the the cash flow stories in LinkedIn as my articles. And so every article I have a cash flow stories notebook notebook and I drop the article in here and what you can do is you don't have to always use every single source. You can actually pick and choose which sources you're going to create content on for that particular piece. So let's say I only wanted to build you know on how to build systems with AI, I can just click this source and now I can come back to the audio overview and it's only going to be focused on that specific source. So like with my articles I can pick the article that I'm looking to do an audio review on and then have it create as you mentioned a podcast episode based on that article and the topics and the the information give it additional context right about what I wanted to cover what I wanted to overview on and then add it as an additional layer because some people may not want to read some people may be you know driving and they they see it pop up on their email but now because of the way LinkedIn articles work I make it the top line that top line is seen on every time somebody opens up an email so now that audio review is the first thing they see and then it goes into the article. So somebody can click on that and again it just helps to increase kind of that awareness that the viewership I'll start I mean anything else that you use with like the audio overview Dorne that you typically would do or yeah with the audio that's what I'm using a lot of at the moment.

Audio Studio: Briefs, Deep Dives, Debates, Critiques

Duarne 34:48

So for example today I put together a custom GPT and it's got about 12 supporting documents that I created as frameworks and playbooks for it. As well as a document explaining what it actually is. All of this is created in Chat GPT we did it through the one hour presentation and and then what I did is I built this custom GPT I demonstrated it got an export of the results and I included that as well then I went and dumped it all into a new notebook and I jumped in and did an audio overview deep dive and it went through and explained how it interpreted what I'd built. And it was really quite interesting because what it means now is I can send that along with all the how to build this out and they know why they're building it. It gave them the outcome and I was able and then like the other day we did it with a proposal for a client as well where we needed to explain something to them and we did it again the other day with a staff member we did an assessment we took the assessment and then made a two minute brief explaining the pros the the focus points to improve on and the focus points on what they're doing really well is already and we're able to use that to share to a client and help them understand how to communicate better with that particular staff member.

Dave 36:20

So that's a good use of the audio right you can come in here like with your you know your personnel write reviews and turn them into an audio overview. The other thing I want to note on um as well before we and then we can kind of move into some of these other things and the other benefits right and and use cases of notebook LM but let's say you have a a plan like this so you've created a plan you've had it given you the marketing plan and you don't want to lose it so you can actually at the bottom save these things as notes. And what that does is it creates a note over here on the right hand side but now you can turn that note and actually convert it to a source. So now this source is now part of the thinking process of your notebook. If you're a Google Gemini user right the beauty of this as well is that you can attach a notebook LM notebook to any one of your chats or a gem as the knowledge. And so let's say you have your marketing notebook built out with your plan and you need to figure out on Gemini how you're going to move forward right what's your next post what's your next topic what's your next sort of you know planning strategy you attach that notebook to that Gemini chat and now you're actually it now it's actually using your plan because it sees your plan. It's not just making up something new every time. And this is something that why I have pretty much 95% moved away from chat GPT because of all these interactions and everything and how everything integrates with Google and the notebooks and all of that. So just one of those things that I just wanted to kind of quickly kind of bring up as well is that once you generate you know a plan or any sort of strategy in the chat, turn it into a note and then take that note and turn it into a source because now that's going to be stored and then again any future conversation is going to go and it's going to use that source or that plan as you're talking with it.

Duarne 38:14

I love that I did not know that I haven't honestly I have not played with the chat functionality on the center screen 90% of what I'm doing is all based on generating stuff out of the studio.

Custom Instructions And Using Cortex To Sync Sources

Dave 38:27

And well here here's the best here's probably a better way to start using the audio as well would be you know let's for example go to you know how to build systems. Okay and I and I'm so now you can say down here it says one source so I know I'm only on one source. You know craft me a detailed prompt that I can use with the audio generation for this specific episode to captivate right the audience and keep it educational. You know what I mean? And so something like that obviously I'm just yeah once it creates it you know I mean like then you you take it you turn it into a note and then you'll select that with the video and then go to your audio overview and and and then use it that way. You know what I mean? It's that is great because you should always use AI to prompt AI. It's going to give you way more like I would have never I'm not a marketing person. You're probably not a marketing person in your business. You know what I mean? So take this right turn this into a note you know then turn it into a a source you know grab that source with it you know obviously I that's the only thing I don't like is it selects everything every time you add something and then come up here you know and then give me a brief you know provide me an educational introduction to this video based on right the strategy and the note and it it it's beauty because you know these things don't take hours to create like they may take like four or five minutes depending on the length and exactly they're great. All right so I think we we've we've hit audio I think one of the ways so audio yep reviews of your articles reviews of your proposals you know ways to you know kind of break down simply uh how to communicate with maybe some of your staff based on you know some reviews etc and many other ways that you could potentially use the audio briefs now they have video overviews video overview right now it's it's kind of like pretty plain I don't necessarily I I've used this one one or two times the same way on a proposal you know I take a proposal I drop it because some for whatever reason some of these allow you to edit the video overview prompt so obviously this one doesn't let me edit the video prompt because if I edit the video prompt I'm able to then say you know the same thing you know take the proposal act as you know act as right whatever you want it to act as you know come up with a function click on it if you click on it it now gives you oh now you can know so there's not okay so it now gives you functionality change this okay look at that I'm learning with you like so now you can change I'm learning with you man this is sweet this is awesome the the uh you can change the you know kind of the the format how you want it to look if you want it to be more of an explainer versus a brief and then you again give it how give it the facts you know maybe highlight the top three or four or five things that you wanted to touch on in that video and it'll create it's it's more of a a slideshow right you know it's taking basically what they would have created probably in the slide deck and putting some audio on top of it but and it's combining basically the audio with the slide deck and creating a video that's essentially what it's doing. So it's not an actual video video where it's like moving generations and all this stuff but the videos that it creates with the slides it's I mean it's pretty good.

Duarne 41:58

I mean it's obviously for you know looking to time save it's way better than I would create it myself I would say that so that's that's funny because I haven't played with it I just assumed because it didn't have an edit function to it that that was a that was for me to actually do an overview of a video. Yeah so I thought that was how I would do my video overviews and like give me a breakdown of what a video is I didn't actually even think that that was what it was for honestly.

Dave 42:26

And what I've done is I've actually done like this custom here like I've actually given it specific instructions specific to like the type of industry that I'm giving the proposal to so that again it formulates the images formulates kind of the construction of the slides to the individual you're trying to target that video towards so if it's just a general explainer video on your you know social, who are you trying to hit right? Who are you trying to target? So if it's like the construction tell it to be more you know like construction building blocks you know of of the proposal or of the story that you want to tell and it'll kind of take that into account as it's building that information.

Duarne 43:05

That is cool.

Dave 43:06

The other one mind map I don't really I don't know I use this a few times just to look at it right obviously it's what yeah it it ex it's it'll start at a singular point and then obviously expand as the points you know kind of go to the right the only thing I don't like about this one is that you it doesn't expand right when you go to save it it doesn't it you know into an interactive type file right it only you can only PNG download it wherever you're at so it's a good thing I guess to image like if you have a a flow or anything that you want to you know kind of mind map but you it's not expandable in your downloadable file right now.

Duarne 44:22

You basically have to download it as a PNG of whatever being at at that point you have to it'll only download in like if you downloaded that now that's a snapshot. Right it will snapshot what you're saying all of the other ones.

Dave 44:36

Yeah.

Duarne 44:37

And you have to and it goes like three or four layers deep on some dependent it'll go deeper. And and it's small obviously you know it doesn't space out well so I've used it if I'm using it for myself I've never used this in terms of like sending to anybody how have you you said you use this a lot what do you use the mind map yeah I've been using it a lot lately because when we're doing stuff like website explanations for proposals it actually does a really nice layout for it. Okay so it's nice for that. It's Also, very handy when you're doing things like trying to explain a like we did one for a proposal the other day where I was talking about a security and compliance proposal, and what it did is it broke it up into sections and showed what sections were relevant to each part of the phase and the milestones we'd created. So it was quite useful for that. For me, for the sake of hitting the button and seeing what it produces, you can then make a determination whether it's something is of use for you, which is why I and uh I've used it probably four or five times. Oh nice.

Dave 45:42

So it's that one, you know, play with it as you will. The reports one, I think, is another one that has some room to improve. How I've used this in the past, just to kind of you can drop in like spreadsheets, Google Sheets, financial statements was another one. And if you want, you can kind of create your own. You can do a briefing of what the you know the the overall arching sort of trending or idea would be for you know those docs or that proposal. If you're using it in any sort of educational setting, you can do a study guide where it'll take that information and turn it into a study guide, which I think is pretty, pretty interesting. It gives you some information. So these suggested formats are based on your sources that you selected. So if you change the sources that you select, it'll change the suggested format. And then again, you can kind of go in here and kind of edit it, give it some you know, some specific information. You know, we can even say here, like, you know, tailor to the financial services industry and sector, you know, just what just so it's like more to tailored toward you or to your client. And then once it generates that, it'll create a simple report. So while that's generating how have you used reports a lot or no on your end?

Proposal Reviews And Objection-Handling Audio

Duarne 46:55

I've used it a couple of times. What I tend to do is I kind of like going in there and just seeing what it thinks you could generate from the content that you've got, right? And it gives me ideas, it's it's sometimes it gives me some unique ideas. Sometimes I'm just looking at it going, why the hell would I need that? Yeah, and I think that's normal. Exactly, right? I've done the brief a few times with it. I haven't tried the blog. I should try the blog. The thing is, this is such a complex collection of tools that you can output data with, and when you start playing with it, you can really, really go down a rabbit hole.

Dave 47:33

Oh, sorry. Absolutely. Now, granted, like don't if you're on a free account, like you are limited in a lot of these things per day. So, like audio overviews, I think you can create like three of them per day. Infographics, I think it's something like maybe three to five a day, but at least it's not like a monthly limit, it's a daily limit. So be intentional if you are on a free account, be intentional how you're testing it out and know that you can't do this, you know, across all of your notebooks. It is going to be limited across your account. But they do have a couple, obviously you can scale up and and do more if you if you need to. So here's that report, you know, talks about those two with the paradigm shift, creates you know, a system with you know an actual acronym that's pretty interesting. Talks about you know the North Star, everything from the document. So it's pretty cool report that you know it took what two minutes, three minutes to create that you can then export format if you need to make adjustments if you need to on your on your own and and you know, kind of make it there.

Duarne 48:32

I haven't really put it back into a source material if you need to.

Dave 48:36

And yeah, well, you can take this and then you can kind of you know turn it into a doc and then bring that doc in as your source material. It's pretty cool. The flashcards I haven't used as much, but this is you know, because but if you are in business, maybe you have a lot, you know, employees five, six, whatever, you have like a company knowledge base, you know, or you have onboarding that you want to create. You can come in here, put all your onboarding in here, create a set of flashcards, and then you can share those flashcards to your staff to then educate themselves on your company knowledge, and then you can have them sign off that they did it, but then you use the flashcards combined with the quiz function, and now you share the quiz with them, and now you quiz them on those new proposals, those new you know, processes that are coming out, and now you can actually see how the re the results are. So those I haven't used these too much, but those are the use cases that I've helped other people with and seen other people do for the flashcards in the quiz.

Duarne 49:40

Obviously, if you're yeah, I made a use case the other day with it actually. Clients that have new products and services, and they've got all their documentation or new models coming out for their products can use it for a training tool to train their staff on new products.

Dave 49:58

So you create a notebook for the new product or the new line and then give them flashcards and give them quizzes so that your team actually understands actually what those new things are and the specifications of the new product. That's it, that's actually a couple of things.

Duarne 50:11

Absolutely. We're and I'm looking at utilizing, I'm I'm looking at the moment utilizing it for virtual assistant training where I want to be tailoring some Australian English related ones and some American English related, as well as client information that's relevant to the client and the industry, so I can create quizzes and flashcards that are relevant just to help them become more familiar with the industry and more familiar with it.

Dave 50:36

It's actually not a bad idea for the VA industry, right? You like basically make a notebook for their client, for their responsibilities, for their duties that they're expected, and then provide a set of flashcards and quiz based on that client. And then they can kind of figure out do I understand what I need to be doing or not. So that's actually that's a good idea for them.

Duarne 50:53

Yeah, exactly. Right. And as we start to introduce new SOPs for clients, I think what we could do is grow that out and have flashcards where Ethics part of the SOP says this, what does this mean? Yeah, and really grow it out. I think it could be a really useful tool for that as a training mechanism, and it's a very tailored LMS style solution. So I'm playing with that. I'm really excited about that function. There's limited time that I've been able to put into it myself at this minute, but I'm gonna be getting some staff across it to get them to play with it more. And I think there's a lot of use cases. We had a heavy machinery. Let me know how to go.

Dave 51:28

We'll we'll touch base on it. Put touch base.

Duarne 51:30

Yeah, absolutely. One one example we had was a heavy machinery client who's got a new product line coming out, and they needed to get their sales team across all the updates from a marketing point of view. And they actually introduced the flashcards and the quiz and had all the sales team learning about these new products through it and being able to quiz them like what's the tonnage, what's the weight, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, is there any limitations? Is it to Australian standards? Is it to this? So it's I think it's a really powerful tool if you play with it in the right way.

Saving Chats As Notes And Turning Notes Into Sources

Dave 52:04

Well, but it's it's also a powerful tool too, because once you have that notebook and you share that notebook with your team, if they're now live on a call with somebody, they can go to that instead of having to search through all the documents, they can go and type in what the question is and it's gonna tell them, you know.

Duarne 52:19

You're right. It's a it's a personalized chat bot that's available with the information they need.

Dave 52:24

And if you type, the beauty is that you don't need like let's say you don't want to give them access to the notebook, you know, and we talked about it earlier. What you would do then is you would take that notebook that's got all the product information in it, create then a Gemini Gem that has that notebook as its knowledge base, right? Or maybe it's a Google Doc that, you know, as we already mentioned, a notebook is not going to keep fresh in a Google Doc unless they refresh it. But what you can do with a Google Doc is that on Gemini, right, with Gemini, let's say you have a notebook with the product information, and then you have some like you know, QA that you're constantly updating in a Google Doc. Well, you could create a custom gem that has the notebook LM as the background, but it also has the Google Doc. Because with Google Gems, the Google Docs, it's always constantly looking at the newest version when you start a new chat. So that's how you can kind of combine the two. If you don't have like a Cortex, it's going to kind of refresh it. That's how you can combine the two. And now you can just provide that Gemini gem to your team, and they can use that as their kind of information sort of chatbot to say, hey, I have this question, help me, help me answer it for a client. Or here's an email question from a client. Can you prepare a response for me? Boom, now it's done. You know, and now they yeah. So those are some of the interesting things that you can kind of do and kind of combine the Google Docs with your notebooks if you're not using any sort of tool that's going to help you. Because you know, ultimately, you probably don't want them to have access to your notebook because they can make changes and they can do all these things that probably you don't want them to do. So, what you can do then is the gem they can't change, right? They just have access to chat with it. So that's probably your best bet as a business owner, you know, would be to create a custom gem.

Duarne 54:04

And customs on free of custom GPT, right? It's the same way we build a custom GPT. The only difference is we're using the knowledge base, we're using a notebook as the knowledge base. Right.

Dave 54:15

You're basically from Chat GPT combining the custom GT GPT function with the folder and the product function or the projects function for ChatGPT, all of it together into one plot spot that's always going to constantly be updating, right, with a live Google Doc or Google Spreadsheet or anything like that, because it could be spreadsheet anything from your drive you can put in there. So maybe it's a maybe it's a company financial, right? That you know is a back end for a client that you're not giving you know proprietary data out there, but it's just a financial statement trending. And now you give that to your team, and now they can constantly answer like trending questions or you know, analysis questions from this gem based on that information because it's always up to up to date. And no, and and you it just makes the idea with this information is not to replace you, it's to make you more productive and more efficient. So if you can get the information, you double check it based on your expertise and your knowledge, you confirm that it's right, you just saved yourself yourself time doing all the work behind it. So I love it.

Duarne 55:14

Isn't that clear?

Video Overviews And Slide-Style Explainers

Dave 55:15

Yeah, I love it. The last three, and then we I know we're we're we're kind of getting up on our on our time here, but infographic is one I've used a ton of, I'm sure you have too. Uh oh, yeah. I love it. You know, again, you can choose the format, whether it's landscape, portrait, square, however you want to do, concise or standard have been the ones that I typically have gone with. Detailed, I mean, they it is detailed, it's gonna take a lot of the information you have in there and throw it in there, you know.

Duarne 55:42

So, what I'm gonna do here is I'm just gonna take it detailed, in my opinion.

Dave 55:45

Yeah, I'm not even gonna change anything here on the detailed, except I just want it to be branded, right? Use my colors, and this is the other thing I say in here is always you know, use your colors for branding, you know. So come in here and just give it your hex codes, however you want to do it.

Duarne 55:59

And it will you actually know your hex codes off the top.

Dave 56:03

I do, because I've I've done this so many times. And then I'm just gonna hit generate, right? The other thing you can do, obviously, is you can then give it more insurance. Like, hey, I want you to focus on these three points, or I want you to focus on this objective outcome of this infographic. The other side would be giving it the format that you want it to focus on. So, uh, and this is one I haven't really known much about, but you can be like, hey, I want it to be more of like a whiteboard, you know, and so it'll look like it's on a whiteboard or a chalkboard, or I want you to, you know, make it look like you're building the building blocks of a home because I'm talking and I'm creating the infographic to then again go along with a proposal to kind of show the flow of that proposal. I want it to be, you know, formatted for the construction industry or the roofing industry, and then it'll kind of take that and use that to format the you know, kind of images or the drawings or however it's doing within that infographic. So that's another great way to use the infographics.

Duarne 57:01

However, what I've been doing is well, one of the things I've been doing with it is proposals. I've been generating an infographic for proposals, so it's a quick overview, which is really good. Combine that with a quick audio brief and then the proposal, people can really engage quickly with it. And I find that really, really insightful. The other thing I've been doing with it is playing with the like I've got clients who they like an article or they like there's an article that's been written up and it's that they want to talk about. So what I'll do is I'll take that article as a link, then I'll create an infographic with their branding colors and guidelines, and then I'll go and create another one with another client's branding colors and guidelines. So there's a difference of output, but it's the same messaging and with their own branding. Because we got some partners that work together, but in the same industry, but they don't want to use the same brand, they don't want to use the same look and feel. So they can put the same messaging out, but in their own brand colors and styling. And that's been really that's a game changer because those guys really appreciate being able to do that.

Dave 58:55

And the one thing you'll notice, and well, everything that comes out with like an image or a video or whatever, it's gonna have like the notebook LM branding on it, unless you're paying like their 200 some dollars a month, right? That doesn't have the branding on it, but it's very easy to be removed. And you know, we'll see here, you know, this one just finished up, good timing. So again, I didn't give it anything but use my colors, and this is what it came up with. You know, a full-on mind map phase one, two, three, four, five. Obviously, it maybe it didn't kind of put things in order, right? But and you can see down here, notebook LM branding, it is very easy to remove this in Canva. Okay, download it, Canva, use the magic eraser, it easily gets rid of the notebook LM. I've probably been trained on millions of these now because people are doing it all the time. So it understands, hey, remove this logo. But you can see very easy. The the words, holy cow, like there's still some that you know will be jumbled. So there's still some things where if it says something I don't like it, again, take it into Canva. You don't have to like redo the whole thing, take it into Canva, use the grab text function, grab it, change it, and and and then correct it. Uh yeah, and it's very easy. Now, this is the complex, the detailed. You can simplify this if you really wanted to. You know, if you're trying to send it to a client, you probably don't want to send this full thing to him. But if you're trying to do something internal, this is perfect. So it really depends on your actual and you can as a variation, Dave.

Duarne 1:00:23

Can you close that do and generate another one and use the simple as a demonstration?

Dave 1:00:30

Yeah, let's do it concise and let's just do again brand colors. And here's the other thing, like with and I I gotta do this, but with the whisper that we were talking about before, you can actually create things that and this is again off topic, but you can create snippets that you typically say a lot and just say that one word, and then it'll drop it in. So, like if I wanted to say, you know, insert my brand colors, and I brand colors is my keyword, it'll just insert my hex codes if I wanted to do something like that. So it's pretty, pretty cool if we're talking like the audio, because you can do so much more audio versus texting. So let's do this, yeah. This kind of uh generates, we'll see the difference of the two. But so infographics are great. Go along with an article, go along with a proposal, a social post.

Duarne 1:01:16

Like infographics are probably the number one way that you would be using a notebook if you're using it for your marketing or your outreach, or even just explaining proposals and just simple concepts and training materials. There's so many use cases. Infographics are one of the most frustrating things from a graphic designer point of view because there's so many ways to make them and they take so much time. So this is just so amazing you could do it so quickly.

Dave 1:01:44

And so what I was trying to find, and I I don't I need to figure it out, was like a list of the different types, right? Like you want it like neo, neo, neo-gothic, or you know, there's so many different ones that you could use as a type of infographic, and then you just prompt it. You just say, Hey, I want it to be in this type. Now, while it's creating this for the comparison, the slide deck again, you can edit the slide deck again be seen. Do you want it to be detailed or do you want it to be more like you're gonna present it for a presentation? Use slides. Do you want it to be short or do you want it to be longer? And then kind of again give the detail of what you want the outcome. Build your notebook with all your sources, like you did some research, or you use Gemini to give research, build it in, you know, and then hey, say, here's here's the main objective I want to have out of this presentation. Provide me with, you know, 10 slides, you know, or I need the presentation to last 15 minutes, whatever it ends up being. But just do you remember the first slides that you could probably create on Chat GPT? They were they were disgusting. Oh, that's you know, they're just a word, you know, there's nothing there, like there's not there was no engagement, and they were just it took everything they wanted to say and threw it on a slide deck. That's not how you make slides. Slides are supposed to be topic-based, you know, hit the point because then the presenter's talking about those points. They're not you're not supposed to be reading off a slide. That's the worst thing you can do as a presenter. And so this is pretty cool. Do you use slide deck right now?

Duarne 1:03:03

I have. I actually I use it to quite a lot, and what I've found is most of the stuff it produces is actually okay. There's occasionally some hallucinations or something which doesn't quite make sense, and when that happens, what I found is I might have conflicting source material. So you have to remove the source material. There might be something in there that it's getting confused by that's giving you that output. The other thing is a little trick I learned. When you download it, it downloads as a PDF. Grab that PDF, drop and drag it into Canva. Canva will then put it in as a design in your uploads. And when you go and create go create new presentation, it'll create a new presentation, click on design the uploads, go to the design and apply, and it'll create it'll automatically create it as a multi-page presentation for you.

Dave 1:03:59

Right.

Duarne 1:04:00

Which you can then download as a PowerPoint after you've edited it, throwing because one thing that it's really, really bad at is it loves to make up logos on slides for sure.

Dave 1:04:12

It's just by putting random logos halfway through, and you're like, Well, this the one thing I've actually noticed with the video I just did put your logo in the source. So I did a video of this with the proposal, and I put the logo as a source file, and then it actually used my actual logo in the video at the end. It was on it was one of the images on the end. So if you don't want it to make up, actually give it your logo, that's why it makes it up because it does it's like, hey, I want to put a logo here. I don't know what their logo is, I'm just gonna put something. So if you have it as your source file, it'll actually add it.

Duarne 1:04:44

Yeah, I appreciate that, but in saying that, like I've put in proposals which have the logo on it, it'll put the proposal, it'll use the right inslides, it'll put the right logo in the start, and sometimes throughout, but over the 14 pages, it'll just start making up random logos as well. Okay, well that's then I have to go through Canva with magic eraser and get rid of the stuff.

Flashcards And Quizzes For Training And Onboarding

Dave 1:05:04

Yeah, yeah. The other thing you can do when you if you're talking about slides, as we've already talked about, right? So in your chat, have it present, have it create the slide presentation, right? With the slides and the overviews of what each slide you want it to be. Again, it's really created. Create a note, put the note as a source, and then use that with the source documents as a slide deck. You know, and remove the more information you give it, yeah. You do less work, it's not guessing, it's not trying to make it up on its own. You then can review it, you can edit the note if you want, and and you know, change things if you need it to change, and then give that to the actual AI and they'll create it. So let's see this simple, concise. Yeah, so you can see very simple versus the more detailed, you know, and then this they're now in order, you know. Like, hey, here's here's the order that you should be, you know, focused on systems over willpower. And you can take that, you can use it internally, you can use it as like a a summary of the of that video if you wanted to, you know, share that video and and talk about it and say you've seen it, and you can share this, you know, infographic with it. Let's say you're sharing it with a client of yours. You're like, hey, I just saw this video, I thought of you. Here's a quick, you know, kind of infographic as a background for it, you know. Very and you can see the text. There's nothing here that I would want to change out of this text. It's perfect, it's formatted correctly. There's nothing here I would change, so it's perfect. And then the the data table, I haven't really done much with the last thing here.

Duarne 1:06:36

You want to try it, hit the data table, see what it does. It comes up with random stuff. What I find is if you've got heavy data-driven content, it's good.

Dave 1:06:46

But this is where also like on the financial side, like if you have like, let's say you have a lot of raw data and you have a lot of Excel spreadsheets, or you have a lot of Google Sheets, you could drop those in as sources, right? Go to the data table, and I haven't used this yet, but this is where I've seen the use case for it. Give it right in the in the edit, tell it exactly what you want it to pull out from the data source, and then actually tell it how you want it to format it. Hey, I want you to pull you know this much right in the rows, and this is how I want you to format it over the columns, maybe it's the number of months. So, you know, you could have a lot of raw data, like you were saying, and then turn it into a table. So let's see what he I mean. This just takes concepts, it looks like it took the actual concepts and turned it into a table, which is interesting.

Duarne 1:07:29

Yeah. And this is where I found, and what it does is it comes up with not in the source material on some things. So it'll come up and make references to source material, it'll give you data. It's pretty interesting what it can do, but it depends on your data, right? I think if you've got some really like a like we said, raw data. And spreadsheets, stuff like that, it'll probably come up with a lot more interesting methodology. But even this, it's broken it down into something which is probably quite useful for some people.

Dave 1:08:04

Well, and for my, I mean, I watched this video, and so like the stuff it's talking, the application pulls out from the video, the success metrics he talked about in the video. So, like this is actually, I mean, this could be another thing, you know, breaking it down into a quick sort of project flow. You know, if you're doing a proposal or something like that, turning it into a table where it's a flow that can be either then turned into subtasks, like you can then take this, put it into like another, like a Gemini or you know, a click up, whatever you're doing, and say, Here, I want you, here's my stages, here's the project, turn this into either main tasks or subtasks to then break that project down into manageable goals and manageable steps. Could be another that is brilliant.

Duarne 1:08:50

I think you're right. I think look, and what we've just discovered here is you and I back and forth having a conversation about just notebook LM and what the functions and the features are. We're using it in different ways and sharing how we're using it and go, Oh, I want to try that. You are as you're listening, you're gonna find the same thing. There is so many use cases with this, it's phenomenal. There is people out there, when I first heard about it 18 months, you almost two years ago, I was making podcast episodes with it with direction. I'd and I'd upload stories and stuff like that. I'd create, and it was really good, very convincing. And if you listen to any of those audio files, there's a lot of ums, uhs, they talk over each other a little bit sometimes. It's very realistic, it's not that sort of robotic sort of nonsense.

Dave 1:09:38

Yeah, I one thing I want to add to that because I completely I can't believe I forgot about this feature. So when you create, you can't do it with the briefs, okay? But if you do a longer version, let's say I just want to play. I don't this is probably not gonna play. Can you hear it or no? I don't know if you can actually nothing's playing yet. Okay, it's playing in my ear, but I don't know.

Building Team Gems With Notebook LM + Google Docs

Duarne 1:10:04

No, we can't hear it here.

Dave 1:10:06

Okay, but it's playing, but then you can actually go interactive with it.

Duarne 1:10:11

Oh, I see.

Dave 1:10:13

Yes, so you can be listening to it, okay. Listen to what it's saying, all right. And let's say you want to jump in and have it redirect where it goes, you can actually hit join and ask a specific question, and it will answer a specific question. So it's it's custom. So I can hit join and now I can hey that it just said, Hey there, what's up? Right, and so I say, Yeah, I'm in the financial services industry. How can I apply this to my business? And now it's playing. Now it's now it's answering to my question.

Duarne 1:10:47

So imagine that as a as a training tool available to learn about something, or asking objections in preparation for meeting you're about to have.

Dave 1:11:00

Incredible. Prompt your audio. Yep, prompt your audio, say, Hey, I want you to be right my client. Here's and give everything you know about your client, everything you know about their industry. I want you to prep an audio and you know, in terms of their objections, and then you can play it and interact with that and hear how it would interact with you. You know, there's so many different use cases you can do that for.

Duarne 1:11:22

Oh, 100%. Oh, look, I think anyone who hasn't played with it, you can play with the free version of this, and it's actually pretty powerful. Lots and lots of functionality being added over the last few months. It's only going to get better when you start looking at like I just it forced me the other day to go from the regular Google Business Suite version. I upgraded to the enhanced version for about $30 a month, something like that. Right. Because and then I got access to all these other tools. So Nano Banana now works natively inside of Google Slides. So I can make presentations and get Nano Banana to help me generate stuff, which is effectively using some of the notebook LM feature set. Flow, I could do video creation, some of that functionality is flowing through from here. There is just all these different functions and features that are in the ecosystem that Google is offering now, which is just very, very helpful. And I'm very heavily involved with ChatGPT on a daily basis still. But I'm finding myself using the two platforms, and after what you've just showed me, I'm leaning. I think I might become a more of a Google centric as well.

Dave 1:12:38

Because it's just I made the shift from actually being Microsoft for the business, right? For what my entire life, I've never been a Google user, to now like actually understanding and using a lot of the stuff and understanding how everything integrates to make my life easier in terms of efficiency. I just last week made the shift to fully Google, right? Google Gmail for business, all of that. And again, just like you have to the upgrade in terms of the you know the enhanced AI functionality as a business aspect to just add more value. So love it. But hey man, we uh we're at that we're at that time. So if you've already been it's already been an hour and 15 minutes, besides me arguing with a a DM or what is it, a BCA or an MCA broker. This is probably our second longest episode. If you have questions on Notebook LM or your specific use case, how you could use it, drop them down below in the comments. Send us a question, send us a you know, an idea, anything, or and also share down below like how are you using Notebook LM currently in your business, and how do you see yourself using Notebook LM in your business moving forward? And if you made it this far, again, I think the biggest thing for me that I want people to take away from would just be trial and error. You know, just get in there and use use the resource, figure out how it can work for you, and then utilize it, be a little bit more efficient. You know, if you if you're struggling with idea generation, like there you go. Put in your topic, put in your business information, help me talk about my business, and it'll give you strategy, you know, give it some back end, like who you who you who do you follow? Like who is your mentor in terms of you know video watching, right? Like who do you who do you listen to the most as your you know kind of guiding light? Take their videos and drop it in here, you know, and then use that you use their content to then guide the actual direction of where you want it to go.

Duarne 1:14:41

So you're basically building a brain within your each notebook, right? And you can have hundreds of notebooks depending on your plan. So you can have a notebook focused on different things, right? And it's like having a little brain that you can go in and work on on certain projects.

Infographics For Proposals, Articles, And Social

Dave 1:14:59

And and the free plan, I think it's I think it's 50 50 sources that you can get. But I saw this other hack from one of the videos. So, again, if you're using the free and you're only limited to 50, you can grab all your sources, have it generate a complex, detailed report, turn that into a note, and then make that your only source, and then delete your sources and then upload another 49. And now you can get more than 50 if you're on the free plant, you know. So there's definitely there's definitely some hacks. If you upgrade, I think even to the next level, you can go from 50 to 300 sources in in one notebook. So that would be what I mean. What what for you, Jordan? What's the one thing that you hope that they walk away from today?

Duarne 1:15:43

I want you guys to try and experiment with Notebook LM. Everyone I've shown and demonstrated in the last month or two, notebook LM has walked away with some ideas on how they can use it, and they've walked away with some different concepts to what they what I've taught about as well. Every time I talk to someone, they're like, Oh, I could do this with that. Oh, that's a great idea. It's really clever, it's very fun, and it's interactive. So talk to other people about it as well and see how they're using it. And yes, you might be removing the notebook LM watermarks, but if someone asks you, how did you do this? Tell them notebook LM. Because the more people using the platforms, the better it's gonna get, and the more functionality it's gonna get. And you might be surprised, they might share some ideas that they're doing with it, which you hadn't considered, like we've had on this episode today.

Dave 1:16:40

Love it. Well, sir, I hope you have a good one. Thanks for joining me. If you made it this far, we love you all. We love you for watching. Uh, hopefully you got one or two tidbits out of this. So if you have, feel free to give it a like, thumbs up, subscribe, do all that fun algorithm y stuff that they uh they want you to do and share it with your network. We love you. We'll see you next Friday. Duarn, have a good one, sir. Enjoy your weekend and for everybody else. See you in the next one. Thanks, Dave. See you everyone. Bye-bye.